9, 12, 10, 28, 2, 23.

This is Deep State Radio, coming to you direct from our super secret studio in the third sub-basement of the Ministry of Snark in Washington, D.C., and from other undisclosed locations across America and around the world.

Hello and welcome to DSR's Words Matter. I'm here with a special edition, since we

have breaking news we want to talk about. And of course, I am joined, as always, by the Oracle of

Washington, Norm Arnstein. How are you doing, Norm? Well, I, you know, feeling a touch better with this Supreme Court decision, feeling a lot worse

with the new iteration of the so-called Save Act, which has gotten dramatically worse.

So about the same, I guess you could say, David.

Well, let's start with the Supreme Court decision because, you know, this is the first time that this court has in a serious way said, sorry, Mr. President, your powers are limited.

And, of course, it's consequential for that, but it's also consequential because Trump was using

this imagined authority to impose tariffs on the world as a centerpiece for all of his

foreign policy, a lot of his economic policy. He was wielding at a cudgel in every

meeting. He essentially destroyed relationships for the U.S. around the planet, undermined

the international trading system, created billions and billions and billions of costs for Americans, for American companies.

And he did it while every legal indicator, every sensible lawyer said that not only were these

tariffs illegal, they're illegal in several ways.

Now, as you know, I don't bring this up much, but for the purposes of this special conversation, I will.

I was a trade official in the U.S. government, and I ran the International Trade Administration.

And when I started hearing about these tariffs, I said, well, these are illegal in a few ways.

One, Constitution doesn't give the president the power to do this, gives the Congress the power to do it.

Two, there are a lot of laws written about what can and can't be done.

And in this particular case, he was taking one of these

laws, AEPA, and totally misapplying it. Three, regardless of the prior to, we signed a lot of

...