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I'm so happy to have with me, my friend, the author Dave Cullen, who is such a good friend

that I frequently let him take my dog when I'm traveling and on the road for focus groups.

So thank you, Dave.

Dave is truly one of the greatest narrative nonfiction writers of the past century, in

my opinion.

And it's not just you're truly who thinks this, you're a New York Times bestselling

author, and have received such widespread acclaim for your seminal narrative nonfiction

book about Columbine.

I'm still bracing from that.

That was really great.

And Bobby Sneakers, your dog, makes it all worthwhile too.

Right.

So Columbine, I mean, the first day I just saw when it first hit local TV, I lived in Denver,

and I went out there, I didn't know where it was, so I drove in that direction, and I saw

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