Hi, this is Rachel McElroy.

Hi, this is Griffin McElroy.

And this is wonderful.

Thanks for joining us.

Today, thanks for, I feel you're spirit in the studio.

You ever do that?

I never feel like the listener, like they're in here with us.

And it's like, you know, they're like ghosts or angels or something.

And they, there's two of them because there's two of us, right?

And so one of them's behind me and they have their little spectral hands on my shoulders.

And then there's one behind you with their hands on your shoulders.

But I see that.

And I'm like, that's my, that's my wife.

Do you ever get, do you ever do that?

I took a lot of creative writing classes and they, they talked about how some writers have

like a particular person in mind that they are writing to.

Interesting.

That helps them kind of focus their work and their voice.

So what's your, who's your ghost angel?

That your ghost angel.

Mine is named, his name is Thomas.

And he lives in, he lives in Detroit.

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