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Woman's Hour

Women's relationships with the dark

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 26 December 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

NB: The music in this broadcast has been removed from the podcast for rights reasons.

We've just had the shortest day of the year, and the most amount of darkness. But how do women live their lives in the dark today? You might have to work at night, or find it the best time to be productive. Or you might harness darkness as a time to think and meditate. Anita Rani speaks to two people who have considered the pros and cons of darkness in very different ways. Lucy Edwards is a Blind Broadcaster, Journalist, Author, Content Creator and Disability Activist and Arifa Akbar is theatre critic for the Guardian whose investigations into the dark formed her book, Wolf Moon, which came out this summer.

Earlier this month we asked you for your night time experiences and were contacted by listener Catherine Smeeth who is a 55-year-old newly qualified class 1 HGV driver which is the heaviest you can get at 44 tons. She does a 300 mile round trip in an articulated lorry with a double decker trailer. Catherine got her licence 3 months ago and says the night roads are "great for a newbie getting to grips with the road". She works 12 hour shifts overnight, and recorded one of them for us.

Dame Maggie Aderin Pocock is a legend when it comes to the night sky. She is a space scientist and educator, having presented the Sky at Night and she is presenting this year’s Royal Institution Christmas Lectures. She has written books for adults and children, presented TV film 'Do we really need the Moon?', received a Damehood in 2024 for services to science education and diversity and in 2023 had a Barbie doll made in her name. So who better to ask about how the night sky can inspire and comfort us?

We’ve heard about darkness and fear and overcoming that and how the lights in the sky can be both awe inspiring and comforting. But what about the past? What kind of relationship have women had with the dark over time? To help answer that, Anita is joined by archaeologist Dr Marion Dowd and Professor Jane Hamlett.

Moving on from the past to modern day celebrations at night. And where better than with nightclubs and music. Anita is joined by Woman’s Hour’s resident Boxing Day DJ Jamz Supernova who suggests some tracks for getting the party started and keeping it going.

Presenter Anita Rani Producer: Corinna Jones

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts.

0:07.0

Hello, Greg Jenner here, host of You're Dead to Me, the comedy podcast that takes history seriously and then laughs at it.

0:13.4

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0:17.2

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0:18.2

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0:21.8

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0:26.8

but just long enough to argue with me, tell their life stories and sometimes get on my nerves.

0:31.8

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0:32.8

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0:34.1

Listen on BBC Sounds.

0:36.2

Hello, I'm Anita Rani and welcome to Woman's Hour from BBC Radio 4.

0:41.3

Just to say that for rights reasons, the music in the original radio broadcast has been removed for this podcast.

0:47.5

Hello, good morning. It's Boxing Day and I hope the dust has settled after a lovely Christmas day and you're having a very

0:55.5

peaceful morning or maybe you've got lots of plans and you're taking a moment here before you head

1:00.2

out over the next hour on the program we're going to explore women's relationship with the dark

1:05.9

it's a few days after winter solstice the shortest day and the point of the year when the nights are at their longest.

1:13.1

To set the scene, the lights have been dimmed here in the studio as we think about how the dark makes us feel.

1:18.5

Maybe it's comfort. It could be fear. It might be calm or the irritation of impracticality.

1:24.7

It might be tiredness. We've got some wonderful guests who are going to be

1:28.2

talking us through this. Broadcaster and disability advocate Lucy Edwards. Theatre critic

1:33.7

Arefa Akbar, they're going to be describing their own very personal relationships with the dark.

1:38.3

We'll hear from listener Catherine, who takes us on her nighttime HGV lorry run. We've got Dame Maggie Adairn Pocock talking about her love of the night sky

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