Woke Right: MAGA's "New Atheists"?

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🗓️ 19 May 2025

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The New Discourses Podcast with James Lindsay, Ep. 165 The "New Atheism" movement, which lasted more or less from 2005 until 2015, was a cringey and curious thing, and it has become an object of much mythology, particularly on the highly online, largely Christian Right. Unfortunately, they don't know much about it, leading them to turn it into propaganda for a cause that mirrors it more than many might find comfortable. In this casual episode of the New Discourses Podcast, host James Lindsay goes through quite a lot of the history of the New Atheism movement as it really was and compares it against Critical Religion Theory, Marxism, and, ironically, the Woke Right. Join him for a surprising and refreshing discussion. New book! The Queering of the American Child: https://queeringbook.com/ Support New Discourses: https://newdiscourses.com/support Follow New Discourses on other platforms: https://newdiscourses.com/subscribe Follow James Lindsay: https://linktr.ee/conceptualjames © 2025 New Discourses. All rights reserved. #NewDiscourses #JamesLindsay #atheism

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0:00.0	Hey everybody. It's James Lindsay. You're listening to The New Discourses podcast.
0:23.9	Today we're going to be casual. I want to talk about the new atheist movement because the
0:29.3	woke right is tied up with the Christian nationalists. There's a lot that gets played off
0:36.3	of the new atheist movement. So there's, as you might expect, a lot of wrong information out about the new atheist movement and what it was. Now here's where I have a weird situation. I was part of that. So I have, I know it's not popular to have firsthand experience with something if you want to talk about it, but I have
0:55.4	firsthand experience with it. Not only was I part of it, not only did I engage with it and
1:00.9	act within it and depart from it and argue within it over its internal factions and all of the
1:08.4	things, not only that, but I actually kind of have a very weird background.
1:15.4	My very first book, I never ever talk about this book.
1:18.4	You're welcome.
1:19.0	I do not encourage you to get it.
1:21.3	I would kind of rather fewer people get it.
1:23.6	I get money if you get it.
1:24.7	I don't need your money.
1:26.6	But I don't take it off of the shelves
1:28.4	because I believe in the integrity that comes with keeping a record, a public record, out there.
1:36.2	I could very easily stop offering the book, which was titled, God Doesn't, we do. Only humans
1:41.1	can solve human challenges that I wrote in like 2011, published in 2012,
1:46.7	self-published, couldn't get a publisher for it.
1:50.1	Pretty ridiculous, actually, sort of super embarrassed.
1:53.7	I'm actually scared to open it and read it again because I don't even want to know what I wrote.
1:58.3	So I don't encourage you to get it.
2:00.4	But at any rate, I had an
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