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The Word on Fire Show - Catholic Faith and Culture

WOF 534: The Evangelical Power of the Old Testament

The Word on Fire Show - Catholic Faith and Culture

Brandon Vogt

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.95.8K Ratings

🗓️ 27 April 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Welcome back to the Word on Fire Show. I'm Matthew Petrusek, senior director of the Word on Fire Institute and the host of the Word on Fire Show. Thank you for joining us. The Old Testament is about three-quarters of the Bible. It is theologically and morally impossible for Christians to understand God's relationship with the world, the nature and purpose of human beings, original sin, salvation history, the person of Jesus Christ, and the foundation of the Church without it. Indeed, as far back as the second century AD, the Church condemned the heresy of Marcionism, which sought to distinguish the God of the Old Testament from the God of the New Testament and to lop off the Old Testament from the biblical canon. There is and never has been, in short, Christianity without the Old Testament. Nevertheless, much of the text remains difficult for the faithful to understand and, even more so, to explain to others, especially to those who know nothing about it. To make matters more complicated, secular critics of the faith often try to use the Old Testament against it, arguing—like the Marcionites of the past—that belief in the Old Testament is both irrational and immoral. So how should Catholics respond? What are some strategies we can employ not only to make the Old Testament accessible but also evangelically compelling? Here to help us understand the Old Testament and its enduring evangelical power, especially in a highly secularized culture, is Bishop Robert Barron.

Topics Covered

00:00 | Introduction
01:33 | Bishop Barron visits Washington
03:38 | How many Catholics read the Bible
09:37 | Understanding the Bible through the interpretive tradition of the Church
11:13 | The historical critical method of the Old Testament
13:10 | The influence of Joseph Ratzinger on Bishop Barron's biblical approach
16:00 | The otherness of God
20:28 | Why God's self-sufficiency matters for reading the Old Testament
22:57 | God as radically transcendent and personally involved
25:25 | God, creator of all people and the father of Israel
26:43 | Critique #1: The Old Testament God is violent
30:09 | Critique #2: The Old Testament God is a moody, jealous diva
32:52 | Critique #3: The Old Testament God is not the New Testament God
34:53 | Critique #4: The Old Testament is just a collection of myths
37:23 | Advice for evangelists regarding the Old Testament
39:34 | Listener Question: What is the Bible's role for Catholics
40:45 | Join the Word on Fire Institute


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0:00.0

Welcome back to the Word on Fire show. I'm Matthew Petrusick, Senior Director of the Word on Fire Institute, and the host of the Word on Fire show. Thank you for joining us.

0:07.6

The Old Testament is about three quarters of the Bible. It is theologically and morally impossible for Christians to understand God's relationship with the world, the nature and purpose of the human being, original sin, salvation history, the person of Jesus Christ,

0:22.5

and the foundation of the church without it. Indeed, as far back as the second century AD,

0:28.0

the church condemned the heresy of Martianism, which sought to distinguish the God of the

0:32.9

Old Testament from the God of the New Testament and to lop off the Old Testament from the biblical

0:37.3

canon.

0:38.3

There is and never has been, in short, Christianity without the Old Testament.

0:43.8

Nevertheless, much of the text remains difficult for the faithful to understand,

0:47.3

and even more so to explain to others, especially to those who know nothing about it.

0:52.3

To make matters more complicated, secular critics of the faith often try to use the know nothing about it. To make matters more complicated,

0:54.4

secular critics of the faith often try to use the Old Testament against it,

0:58.8

arguing, like the Martianites of the past, that belief in the Old Testament is both

1:02.8

irrational and immoral. So, how should Catholics respond? What are some strategies we can

1:08.8

employ, not only to make the Old Testament accessible,

1:11.8

but also evangelical compelling? Here to help us understand the Old Testament and its

1:16.2

enduring evangelical power, especially in a highly secularized culture, is Bishop Robert Barron. Welcome back to the studio, Bishop.

1:33.5

Thanks, Matt.

1:34.5

Always good to be with you.

1:35.3

So today we're looking at the enduring evangelical power of the Old Testament, recognizing

1:39.8

that even committed Catholics can have a difficult time interpreting and certainly

1:43.0

explaining it to others. Yeah. But before we get to that, what have you been up to recently? Well, recently, I was in Washington for a meeting of the Religious Liberty Commission that I'm on. Maybe eventually when we're through with that whole process, we could have a show about that. Absolutely. It's been very interesting. I've enjoyed it. I've just, I missed one meeting, but I've been at all the other ones.

2:02.6

And we looked at healthcare and issues of religious liberty around that, which are interesting

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