Welcome back to the Word on Fire show. I'm Matthew Petrusik, Senior Director of the Word

on Fire Institute and the host of the Word on Fire show. Thank you as always for joining us.

Today we're bringing you the second half of an hour-long conversation between Dr. Todd Warner

and Bishop Robert Barron on the Transcendental of Beauty. Dr. Todd is the editor-in-chief of

Evangelization and Culture, our journal at the Word on Fire Institute.

He also hosts the Evangelization and Culture podcast.

Here to discuss beauty with Dr. Todd Warner is Bishop Robert Barron.

Segment two, the Deformation of Beauty. French Catholic novelist George Bernanot cautioned, quote,

Because you have not lived your faith, your faith is no longer alive.

It has become abstract.

It is, as it were, disincarnate.

Perhaps we will discover in this disincarcation of the

word the true cause of our misfortunes, close quote. So Bishop Barron, the disincarnation of the word,

I just love that notion of the disincarnation of the word. It's just frightening to me. That invariably leads

to the deformation of the true, the good, and the beautiful.

So what is it about postmodernity that attempts to take the ugly in art or fashion and deem it

beautiful? It's not seeing the beautiful and the profane, but it seems like it's deliberately

attempting to debase or profanize, if you will, the beautiful. Is this a devilish plot of deformation?

You don't ask superficial questions to me, because that's a really searching question.

Because there, yes, in the postmodern, you know, think of the kind of brutalist architecture.

To me is the best example of that.

I'll tell you, just a couple days ago, as we record this, I was in Washington, and I was

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