Everyone's thinking about the Roman Empire today, right?

That's the thing that men think about the Roman Empire.

Well, I thought about it a lot when I was there,

because you can't miss it.

Everywhere you go, they're signs of the Roman Empire.

But what are they?

They're ruins. It's a wreck. There's dusty ruins remain.

But there I was, as a Bishop of the Catholic Church founded by that baby,

founded by that baby who was put to death on a miserable cross by Caesar's representative.

And yet Caesar and his empire, they are long gone.

But the baby with the angel army.

One, and that church weirdly, weirdly

endures to this day.

Welcome back to the Word on Fire Show.

I'm Brandon Vot, the host and the senior publishing director at Word on Fire.

Is the Christmas story little more than a sweet sacramed tale about a cute baby being born? Or do the Gospels present something more

subversive and revolutionary a battle between two great kings? Well that's how Bishop Robert Barron reads it and he joins us today

from our Word on Fire studio in Rochester Bishop good to see you again.

Hey Brandon always good to see you.

Saw you in person about a week or two ago because we have Always good news

person about a week or two ago because we had the big good news conference held every year.

This year it was back in Orlando, Florida, my hometown.

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