WOF 369: Was Vatican II a Failure?

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Brandon Vogt

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🗓️ 16 January 2023

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

Friends, we just marked the 60th anniversary of the opening of Vatican II, the Second Vatican Council. Six decades later, can we say the Council was a success? A failure? Something in between?

On today’s episode of “The Word on Fire Show,” Brandon Vogt discuss a provocative pair of op-eds published in the New York Times by Ross Douthat, who argues that the Council was both necessary and a failure, and yet cannot be undone.

A listener asks, if God is without form, then at the Transfiguration, what was Jesus transformed into?

Links

“How Catholics Became Prisoners of Vatican II” – Ross Douthat
“How Vatican II Failed Catholics—and Catholicism” – Ross Douthat
The Word on Fire Vatican II Collection
The Paschal Mystery: Reflections for Lent and Easter (Word on Fire Lent booklet)

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0:00.0	Welcome back to the Word on Fire Show. I'm Brandon Vat the host and the senior publishing
0:12.7	director at Word on Fire. We just passed the 60th anniversary of the opening of Vatican
0:19.1	2, the second Vatican Council. Six decades later, however, can we say that the Council
0:24.8	was a success or was it a failure or was it something in between? Lots of people are
0:30.5	discussing the relevance and the continued impact of the second Vatican Council and we'll
0:35.8	continue that conversation today with Bishop Robert Barron. Bishop, good to be with you.
0:40.3	Hey Brandon, always nice to see you. I want to ask you something that I always love
0:45.5	to ask you but I haven't done it in a while. Namely, what books are you reading? Tell us
0:50.0	any good stuff you've been into lately.
0:52.8	I read a lot of books at the same time. I'm reading Matt Levereign's book that we just
0:57.6	published Word on Fire on Newman on doctrinal corruption. Typical Levereign book, really
1:03.0	good, thorough, serious scholarship and he and I both love Newman's. I'm reading that.
1:09.1	I'm continuing with what's his first name? Is Peter Adamsen? The historian of philosophy.
1:15.2	You ordered a lot of those books for me. I think I'm still on the ancient philosophy.
1:20.2	I read his one on medieval philosophy. It's a history. It's called philosophy without
1:24.2	gaps. He's covering absolutely everybody. I'm enjoying that. I just finished John McGreeby's
1:30.0	book on the history of Catholicism from the French Revolution to modern times. It's
1:35.4	good. It's a very common wheel Notre Dame center left take on those issues. Read him in
1:44.0	tandem with George Weigel on Vatican II. You get center left versus center left.
1:50.1	Center right. Just finish that. What else? I'm going to get to Chesterton on Aquinas and
1:58.4	Francis because I'm getting ready for the Chesterton meeting next summer. They asked me
2:02.6	to speak on the St. Francis book. You sent that to me. I'm going to bring that with me
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