Welcome back to the Word on Fire Show. I'm Brandon Vaat, the host and the senior content

director. Today we share the latest episode in our Bishop Baron Presents series. This

one is with Dr. Larry Chaap, the esteemed Catholic theologian educator and blogger. Larry

sits down with Bishop Baron to discuss several topics including Dorothy Day and the Catholic

Worker Movement that she founded, traditionalism and liberalism within the Catholic Church

today, the second Vatican Council and many more topics. You're going to love Larry. Many

of us at Word on Fire have been reading and enjoying Larry's work for quite some time.

You can find his blog at Gaudium at Spes 22. We'll include a link in the show notes.

Before we begin, one more reminder to pick up your copy of our newest film and study program

titled The Creed and also a copy of Bishop Baron's new book titled Light from Light, a theological

reflection on the nice scene Creed. You can find both of those resources at the website

WordonFire.org slash Creed. But sit back and enjoy this invigorating discussion between

Bishop Baron and Larry Chaap.

Well, Dr. Larry Chaap delighted to be with you today. I've known you for a little while.

We met some years ago and then we worked together on a book on Bain Volta's Art. I did

a change in my mind. Exactly. So that's how I knew you. But you came recently on my

radar screen when a couple of my Wordon Fire colleagues came to me and said, there's

this fella right in this blog and it's real smart and it's a little edgy and it's funny

and he's defending you against a lot of your critics. I said, really, who's that?

They said a guy named Larry Chaap. I said, I know Larry Chaap. We've worked on some things

over here. So then I became a pretty passionate reader of Gaudium at Spes 22, your blog, which

I really do admire. And one thing I've noticed, of course, now reading you a lot is you and

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