The Trinity is all about the work of salvation.

Who are Mary and the saints, but those that we recognize as having been to a very high degree sanctified?

They've been trinitized. Therefore, the light that they have is simply reflective light.

Whatever glory they have is a glory that comes from the great work of the Trinity.

Therefore, it's not competitive. And I've talked a lot about that.

And I put my finger on it as a major point of demarcation.

I think Protestants tend to think, in my judgment, too much, of the God-world relationship as a competitive one.

Welcome back to The Word on Fire Show. I'm Brandon Vat the host and the content director here at Word on Fire, Catholic Ministries.

We got a great episode for you today. A lot of questions from non-Catholics that we're taking today.

All being directed toward Bishop Robert Barron. He's joining us from Santa Barbara. Bishop Barron, welcome.

Hey, Brandon, how you doing?

Doing very well. You know, I wanted to ask you about something. We've got a lot of comments and emails about this.

And that's your pectoral cross. And I know that sounds strange. But a lot of people see your pectoral cross.

Usually, when you wear a coat, it's tucked into the little pocket there. And people send us emails all the time saying, why is he tucking in? Why doesn't he leave it out? What's the big deal?

Talk to us a little bit about that.

Yeah, you know, I've been amazed at that. Maybe because I'm one of the most visible Bishop I suppose in America, because I do all these videos.

But when I was growing up watching Bishops, and if you take a look at most photographs of Bishops in their business suit, that's what we all do.

We talked to the crossway. Now, let me just say this right off the bat. It has nothing to do with, you know, hiding the cross.

Or I'm ashamed of the cross. And when people say that, I just, you know, kind of sigh and exasperation. Let me show you something.

And see today, I, we're in the little studio on Santa Barbara. It's super hot today. We have no air conditioning in here.

So I don't have my coat on and my sleeves up. So here's this cross, right?

Now, this thing was designed to be worn with a casick. So when a Bishop wore a long casick with the row of buttons, you take the cross and you hook it onto one of the buttons.

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