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I think it's very important that we get the world community united,

including the Chinese, if it's possible, to set a standard that the use of any form of WMD

in this war is simply not acceptable. And that in the event that Vladimir Putin escalates to use

WMD, he would lose all support in the world, even from the very few countries today, such as China,

and India to some extent, who are that are supporting him.

Rothmawart Larsen was a career CIA operations officer who focused on the Soviet Union and Russia.

He was the former head of intelligence and counterintelligence at the Department of Energy,

and the former head of the Intelligence Project at Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center.

He joins me today to talk about where the Ukraine crisis might be heading.

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