Okay, we're still waiting for some people.

I figure we just start 415 now, my time.

Thank you all for joining me.

I'm just glad to talk to Gary firsthand.

Some of you, the names I've seen before Jason's, Lindsay Ann for sure.

But, I mean, there's a lot to talk about I mean there's a lot of

things happening I'm sure all of you many of you have followed this whole bottom

rough situation so called in large quotes truth and justice unquote and you know maybe

we can start off with Sunday what would you like to talk about, Gary?

Well, I think Adam Galvin suggested we dispel some of the myths that surround the case,

particularly the myths of black t-shirts and Metallica and Damien and Jason being sort of arbitrarily picked out of a crowd just because they were a little different than the rest of the kids.

As you know, the documentaries contain virtually none of the really, really negative information

that's on the record about Damien with his mental health problems, his blood drinking,

and et cetera, et cetera.

And I just think it's good, and not that that makes him guilty of murder,

but it certainly indicates why he became,

part of the reason they became interested to him is because he had this violent history.

Right.

And there were factors that quickly came to play in that, but that's not the only reason, but it had nothing to do with black t-shirts and nothing to do with metallica and

turt hurdles that didn't come through yeah Lindsay your pinging is what you're doing

yeah no it's it's good that you bring up that point, Gary, because if you talk to people local,

and you know the local scene there is better as good as good as anybody else in this case,

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