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Forensic Files

Without a Prayer

Forensic Files

HLN

Society & Culture, True Crime

4.63.7K Ratings

🗓️ 25 December 2025

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

This episode originally aired May 27, 2019. When the once called America's most hated woman and her top two lieutenants disappeared, there was no shortage of suspects.

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0:00.0

Madeline Murray O'Hare was America's best-known atheist,

0:07.1

principally responsible for abolishing prayer in public schools.

0:12.1

Madeline, you either liked or you hate her.

0:14.7

In 1995, Madeline Murray O'Hare mysteriously disappeared from her Texas home, along with her son John Murray and granddaughter Robin.

0:25.2

Over $600,000 of their organization's money disappeared along with them.

0:31.9

What is it not to love about this story? It involves greed. It involves gold. It involves the most hated woman in America.

0:38.4

This is a sexy story, and we should tell it.

0:41.8

It was a local newspaper reporter playing forensic detective who helped solve the case.

1:03.3

For the time, Madeline Murray O'Hare was often called the most hated woman in America.

1:06.8

Mr. Withers, is this a form of harassment?

1:07.3

No, ma'am. I am creating the record.

1:09.6

No, you're not creating the record.

1:11.1

You are wasting my time.

1:12.7

These are...

1:13.6

When you're done reading that, call me.

1:15.8

I'll be in the ladies' room.

1:17.1

Is it your understanding that you have brought new documents today?

1:19.5

Call me in the ladies' room when you are done.

1:23.6

She was an avowed atheist who achieved fame in 1963 by opposing prayer in public schools.

1:31.7

She took her case all the way to the United States Supreme Court and won.

1:38.1

She founded the non-profit group, the American atheists, as well as a magazine,

1:43.8

preaching the gospel of strict separation

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