Hello and welcome to another edition of the Byron York Show, the No Chat Chat podcast.

We'd like to get right into it today.

And what we're going to get into today is Ukraine, I mean, how could we not?

But maybe a side debate on Ukraine, which is the Trump effect, which is, would we be in

this situation vis-a-vis Ukraine if Trump or President?

And if we were in this situation, what would a President Trump do?

But I think you have to start out, start first, with what's going on now.

Now President Joe Biden talked very tough in the weeks that Russia was building up its

troops, the number of its troops on its border with Ukraine.

In a phone call with Vladimir Putin over the weekend, according to the White House, Biden

told Putin that the U.S. would, quote, respond decisively and impose swift and severe costs

on Russia if Putin invaded Ukraine.

And that was just a variation on what Biden has been saying for quite a while.

So, swift, severe costs on Russia if Russia invades Ukraine.

Then Russia moves into the Donbass, that separatist region in eastern Ukraine.

And when Russia did that, the White House began to play word games with the word invade.

Now remember, the U.S. is going to respond decisively and impose swift and severe costs on Russia

if Putin invades Ukraine.

But then it becomes what's the meaning of the word invade.

A senior administration official held a phone briefing for reporters on Monday afternoon.

Now this is a very common thing that's done in Washington.

An official will brief a number of reporters sometimes on the phone.

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