BBC 5 live.

Sophie's here.

Well, I don't see you.

Just checking.

Oh, now do I have to go who Sophie are we are we now in the podcast?

I don't know. Let me just check. We are in the pod.

We're in the zone. We're in that we are in the zone.

So let me let me let me sense your playing me.

I'll play you who who Sophie? No one knows why you're saying it.

Explain everyone has to be told quite right.

What main difference is I was saying it before we'd actually no, you weren't.

You said it. They'd started. Yeah.

But we hadn't really. But for the purposes of the episode, you said it.

Who is Sophie? Sophie is basically the linchpin of the entire

let me ask you like a quantra advert. What is Sophie?

Sophie is the linchpin around which everything operates basically.

Is that is that good enough? No, because you have to do it like a, you know,

like like Nicola did yesterday, they did last week when he turned like a very

simple answer into something that sounded very seductively mysterious.

Yeah, but I didn't feel that was appropriate.

You was explaining vegan marshmallows. Are you are you saying that so for you

is equivalent to a vegan marshmallow? Are you equating the?

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