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This Day (An America 250 History Show)

"With Malice Towards None" w/ Jamelle Bouie [Part Two]

This Day (An America 250 History Show)

Jody Avirgan & Radiotopia

History

4.51K Ratings

🗓️ 5 March 2026

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

We continue our conversation about Lincoln's second inaugural address with a close reading of how it was written and addressed.

Jody, Niki, and Kellie are joined by special guest Jamelle Bouie to break it down, line by line. Be sure to check out his work in the New York Times, on YouTube, and his movie podcast “Unclear and Present Danger.”

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to this day, a history show from Radiotopia. My name is Jody Avergan.

0:11.7

It is part two of our look at Lincoln's second inaugural address. Last episode, we gave a sense of

0:17.6

the state of the war, Lincoln's evolution on slavery, what would come next

0:21.4

for a reunified United States. This episode, we get right into the speech itself. Now, we talked

0:27.4

a little bit last episode about how this is one of Lincoln's most famous speeches. At least it is

0:31.8

there on the Lincoln Memorial. But I think we all know that the go-to Lincoln reenactors speech

0:36.7

is that Gettysburg address.

0:39.0

We did, however, find a clip from the Ed Sullivan Show in 1966 of the great actor Hal Holbrook.

0:45.7

He is performing this speech dressed up as Lincoln.

0:48.3

We're going to put a link to this in the show notes and we'll put it in our newsletter.

0:51.4

But here, listeners, is a little bit of a taste.

0:53.9

Imagine maybe that you're outdoors standing in a puddle. The skies have just parted. and we'll put it in our newsletter. But here, listeners, is a little bit of a taste. Imagine

0:54.2

maybe that you're outdoors standing in a puddle. The skies have just parted. It's the first week

0:59.3

of March 1865. Take a listen to Hal Holbrook as Lincoln. Neither party expected for the war,

1:06.8

the magnitude or the duration, which it has already attained,

1:12.6

neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with

1:17.6

or even before the conflict itself should cease.

1:23.6

Each looked for an easier triumph

1:26.6

and a result less fundamental and astounding both read the same

1:33.8

Bible and pray to the same God and each invokes his aid against the other so first off it's

1:43.4

notable that that is what counts as late-night entertainment in 1966.

1:47.2

Where's that kind of programming these days?

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