With Great Power Comes... No Responsibility? — with Yaёl Eisenstat

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🗓️ 25 June 2019

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Aza sits down with Yael Eisenstat, a former CIA officer and a former advisor at the White House. When Yael noticed that Americans were having a harder and harder time finding common ground, she shifted her work from counter-extremism abroad to advising technology companies in the U.S. She believed as danger at home increased, her public sector experience could help fill a gap in Silicon Valley’s talent pool and chip away at the ways tech was contributing to polarization and election hacking. But when she joined Facebook in June 2018, things didn’t go as planned. Yael shares the lessons she learned and her perspective on government’s role in regulating tech, and Aza and Tristan raise questions about our relationships with these companies and the balance of power.

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0:00.0	I don't really care about getting up in the ladder. My goal was never to be CEO of Facebook.
0:05.0	In June 2018, Yayel Eisenstadt, coming from a career in the CIA fighting extremism in Eastern Africa, and then serving as a national security
0:14.4	advisor to Vice President Joe Biden at the White House, accepted a job offer from
0:18.7	Facebook. They had hired her to help the company uphold the integrity of
0:22.3	Democratic elections worldwide.
0:24.4	I care about the mission, I care about what is wrong in the world, and I care about how I can help fix it.
0:30.0	And the point of this title, the shiny title, head of global elections integrity ops, is because that is what I was being asked to come do.
0:37.0	But almost immediately after she walked in the door, she ran into problems.
0:41.0	Day one was orientation.
0:43.5	Day two, my very first meeting with my manager.
0:46.5	First thing she let me know was, I'm changing your title.
0:49.9	Your title is now manager.
0:52.4	And then within a bit of time it became. Your title is now manager.
0:52.5	And then within a bit of time it became crystal clear
0:55.8	that she said, and I remain the single threaded owner
0:59.1	of Elections work.
1:00.7	Before she even had a chance to get started, the power and authority A.L. had been
1:04.9	promised was stripped away. Had they ever taken the position seriously in the
1:09.4	first place? You can't say that I had made mistakes yet. They can say that I didn't understand their
1:14.3	business or whatever. This was day two. There are people from government who've gone into
1:18.8	Facebook and have really interesting roles. For me, however. I was never empowered to actually
1:25.1	do any real work there. Yale's story is bigger than her. It's a glimpse of how things
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