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It's an odd opening hi Julie.

I don't normally do that but it's it is appropriate.

Hi Julie, Julie you had on your terrific timeless

podcast.

Thank you.

A very interesting debate.

Yes.

Yes I did.

I think I you know we never before the show even talk about what we're going to discuss but I did suggest to

Dennis that that maybe we would talk about this today because it was a big deal

in in my life and I think in the show to do that.

So I interviewed a anti-surigacy lobbyist on timeless.

That is what Dennis is referring to.

And some of you may know this from listening to this show but

for those of you who don't I was born from a surrogate mother and there are so

explain to everybody exactly so there are two, to my knowledge, there may be a third category in today's world. I don't know, but there are two types of surrogate mothers. They're gestational surrogates where the embryo is implanted into the surrogate.

In other words, it is not her biological child.

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