Hey everyone, Kara Hart here. I'm the producer of With a Pencil and each episode normally starts with

Shay and his two guests setting up what the week's conversation will be about. And that's going to

happen here too, but first, I'm going to play you guys a clip of Shay and Lilliam and Jose,

who are his guests, debating something really, really important.

We need to talk about something that I overheard Miss Riveira saying that I took great offense

to. I would like to make sure that we have this on the record because I do not want to be

associated with this viewpoint at all. Okay. I'm not I'm not backing down from this. I'm going to say

that Tom Hardy. Oh my god. She's going to say it again. I'm going to say it again. Tom Hardy is

gorgeous. That's just hot specimen. Yeah. But this is a specimen. But he really can't add. Oh my god.

I don't believe I heard you say it earlier. And I was like, she didn't really say that. Like,

I think she's just sort of putting on for everybody. And now you're saying it again on the record.

Like you, you can I call somebody in my family a bitch.

She did.

Welcome to With the Pencil. The sixth episode podcast series about John Wake Universe.

Sometimes we're going to be talking about one of the three movies. Other times we're going to be

talking about parts or pieces of one of the movies that extend out into a bigger conversation.

That's what we're doing right now. There's one big question that I would like to get answered.

And so to help me answer it, we brought in two people of focus, of commitment, of sheer will,

something that I do not know anything about. We have Lillian Rivera, author most recently of

dealing in dreams, a wonderful book that everybody should buy. Lillian, please say hello.

Hello, hello, hello. And we have Jose Olivarez, author most recently of Citizen Legal,

also a wonderful book that everyone should buy. What's up everybody?

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