Rather than deal with our anxiety, we build it out further. Now it's five or six feet.

Now I won't let you even get close to me while I sit in the center going,

oh, everything is so lonely while I'm pushing everything away.

So part of our job, each of us is to determine what's our real legitimate ring of safety and how far away is our ring of fear.

And part of our work of self-awareness is how do we bring them back together?

Hi, I'm Dr. Amy Robbins and welcome to life, death, and the space between.

Today, I have been waiting for this interview and I think I looked for this guy, I reached out to this guest back in July and couldn't get him on until now, which actually seems like the perfect

time to have Mark Nipo on. And if you don't know Mark, Mark is an incredible spiritual teacher,

one of the best of our times. He's a New York Times bestselling author, poet, spiritual advisor,

and he's taught both poetry and spirituality for over 40 years. He devotes much of his

beautiful writings and teachings to the journey of inner transformation and of our the relationships in our life

and a lot of this much of this was spurned by an early diagnosis with lymphoma in his 30s and his

and he credits the struggle that he faced to really helping him shape the philosophy of his life.

So today, Mark and I are going to dig into one of his two new books out this year,

falling down and getting up.

His other book, The Half Life of Angels, is also out this year.

Two books in one year is pretty impressive.

I've been working on a book proposal for two years now and haven't made so much progress.

So welcome, Mark.

I'm so just thrilled.

I feel like I want to just grab a cup of coffee, sit down and have you kind of pour your

wisdom over me in this kind of really painful time in our

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