Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Hello and welcome to the History Extra podcast from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Reveal.

I'm Ellie Cawthorne.

Why shouldn't you always trust the olive in your martini glass?

Well, in today's podcast, Brian Hockman will explain all.

He's the author of The Listeners, a new book on the history of wiretapping in the United States.

And he spoke to Riannon Davis about the colourful history of electronic eavesdropping.

So when you first started investigating the history of wiretapping, what did you expect to uncover?

So I expected to uncover a secret story, first and foremost, perhaps naively influenced as I am by the

paranoid thrillers of 70s cinema and American culture more generally. I envision myself filing

Freedom of Information Act requests and mining redacted government documents and talking

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