WIRED Roundup: Groypers Going Mainstream
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🗓️ 26 September 2025
⏱️ 25 minutes
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In today’s episode, Zöe is joined by WIRED’s Jake Lahut to run through five of the best stories we published this week — from Customs & Border Protection efforts to collect American’s DNA to tech billionaire Larry Ellison’s shadowy influence on the White House. Then, Zöe and Jake discuss the surge in popularity of white nationalist influencer Nick Fuentes, who has leveraged the vacuum left behind by Charlie Kirk's death to break into the mainstream.
Articles mentioned in this episode:
- Nick Fuentes' Plan to Conquer America
- Larry Ellison Is a ‘Shadow President’ in Donald Trump’s America
- OpenAI Teams Up With Oracle and SoftBank to Build 5 New Stargate Data Centers
- DHS Has Been Collecting US Citizens’ DNA for Years
- For One Glorious Morning, a Website Saved San Francisco From Parking Tickets
Join WIRED’s best and brightest on Uncanny Valley as they dissect the collision of tech, politics, finance, and business, from Alexis Ohanian's newest tech venture to the effects of inaccurate information from artificial intelligence (AI) chatbots on social protests.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Wired's Uncanny Valley. I'm Zoe Schiffer, Wired's director of business and industry. |
| 0:08.1 | We're bringing you five stories that you need to know about this week, including the meteoric rise of the once-fringed far-right influencer Nick Fuentes. |
| 0:16.4 | He is breaking into the mainstream off of the back of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. |
| 0:21.6 | I'm joined today by senior politics writer Jake LaHette. |
| 0:24.6 | Jake, welcome back to Uncanny Valley. |
| 0:26.6 | Hey, Zoe, great to be with you again. |
| 0:31.7 | So we're starting this week with some perhaps unsurprising, but still deeply, deeply concerning national security news. |
| 0:39.3 | According to a new analysis from Georgetown University, Customs and Border Patrol, CBP, |
| 0:45.1 | has spent the last four years collecting the DNA of at least 2,000 people, many of whom are |
| 0:51.2 | American citizens. They're uploading this information to CODES, which is the FBI's |
| 0:56.2 | nationwide investigation system that's been kind of the preeminent tool for violent crime |
| 1:00.3 | investigations for years. And experts say that the findings appear to point to the fact that the |
| 1:06.0 | data collection program is operating outside the confines of statute and without a lot of oversight. |
| 1:12.5 | I'm genuinely kind of surprised they don't have all of our DNA in some form already, |
| 1:16.5 | whether that's 23 and me or any of the other ways we could have been scraped all this time, |
| 1:22.0 | but it doesn't sound good. |
| 1:23.7 | Our colleague Del Cameron reported that, according to the findings, the 2000 total files include people who've actually never been formally charged with a crime and about 95 minors. |
| 1:35.8 | There were also dozens of cases where CBP agents left the charges field blank in the paperwork. |
| 1:41.9 | In other files analyzed by Georgetown officers invoked civil penalties |
| 1:45.5 | as the justification for taking the saliva swabs, which were how they were getting the DNA samples, |
| 1:50.4 | that federal law typically reserves for criminal arrests. |
| 1:53.7 | Ooh, and, you know, this is kind of a recurring theme with Dells reporting, but it's kind of hard |
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