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This is Lee Habib, and this is our American stories.

Most people remember Winston Churchill for his steady leadership during

World War II. That steady leadership came from years of experience in and around war.

Here to tell the story of how Churchill interacted with conflict is Dr. Larry P. Arne, president

of Hillsdale College. Let's get into the story.

He didn't like war.

He was really good at it.

You know, he fought.

The first time he fought was in Afghanistan.

He walks up and down upright behind the rocks.

It's fought up in the rocks by the hills.

And so he'd walk up and down so they could shoot at him.

So they would write about him, writing back the reports and the dispatches they call it about the battles.

And so they got used to that so they didn't mention his name anymore.

So he bought a horse and rode that up and down. And then the next place he fights is in the sedan and he's in a cavalry charge.

Last big one, and people talk about him, about what he was like on a battlefield.

Then the biggest thing, the best thing was he went to South Africa.

And they'd made a rule that you couldn't write articles for the press if you were a serving

officer.

And they made that rule for him because he was the most famous commentator on all of the wars

he was in and became a public figure, including talking bad about

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