This is Winds and Losses with Clay Travis.

Clay talks with the most entertaining people in sports, entertainment and business.

Now, here's Clay Travis.

Welcome in, Winds and Losses podcast.

I am Clay Travis.

I hope all of you are having a fantastic time wherever you may be across this great country

or this great land.

We are joined by a guy that I think has been doing incredible work.

Warding off team apocalypse as he sometimes says it.

He is Alex Berenc and a former New York Times reporter who has been focused on the coronavirus

and the response of our government.

Obviously, we talk a lot about politics and the intersection of sports as it pertains

to the return of sports.

And so I thought he was going to be and is a perfect guest for us.

So welcome in Alex.

I appreciate you joining us for people who may not have followed you on Twitter or been

reading the books that you have put out that are available on Amazon.

What is your background kind of introduce yourself to our audience as best you can?

Sure.

So I worked for the New York Times from 1999 until 2010 I was a reporter.

I've been a reporter since I graduated college in 1994 and 2009 through 2010.

And I mainly did investigative reporting business, really business investigative before I

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