This is wins and losses with clay Travis clay talks with the most entertaining people in sports entertainment and business now here's clay Travis

We're welcome into wins and losses podcast. I hope you guys are having a good time wherever you may be as we move closer and closer to

Thanksgiving at least if you're listening in 2019. I know a lot of people are going to be on the road including

cousin Sal one of the coast of lock it in who is with me every day from 4 30 to 5 30 eastern 130 to 230 Pacific on

FS one he is currently leading season two of the show but it occurs to me I don't really know that much about

Anything in his life in the grand scheme of things to where he ended up on the show with me and everything else

We have a fantastic time so I think he's with us now you can find him on Twitter at cousin Sal

and Sal I kind of want to start with that at the beginning

Where did you like what was the first time you thought hey maybe I can make a living in the entertainment space

Was it I know your cousin is Jimmy Kimmel was it like did you guys talk about it when you were kids like what was what was like a moment where you thought hey maybe we could do this

Well can we first start with you giving out my right freaking Twitter handle which at the cousin Sal that move on for the

Yes my bad I'm already already over one yes so all right so at the cousin Sal I love to say this I know this is very

Shr I want to get into this real quick real quick before I answer questions I love this because you have a radio show successful radio show and whether you're not you want

To admit it you want to phase this radio show out and so you start this podcast and now this podcast is wildly

Popular and the radio show is doing better than ever you're never going to stop talking

You're just going to have to be on the air all the time. This is backfire

But this is what my wife says all the time I keep trying to find ways to do less work and inevitably every time I try to do that I end up working more

So I don't know the solution to this at all this is why I told her that I'm going to retire at 50 she doesn't believe me

I'm for right now I want to go hard for 10 more years and then I'm just vanishing that's my plan right now just I'm going to make enough money right I don't have to do

Anything for the rest of my life and I'm just going to vanish I kind of do like the fight and be in the middle of things every day on a day to day basis

But I would like to be able to sleep so I know and I know that was your plan I mean you are on the air or some form in the air every hour of the day I mean you might as well just start posting your therapy sessions online right

Basically, you know my wife said the other day and I think she's right that radio is my therapy because she said you're so lucky that you get to come on every day and just say whatever you think and you know people don't have to agree or disagree with it but you get every thought thought out of your head and so you don't bottle anything up and the result is you kind of walk around lighter than air because you aren't like there's nothing bottled up inside you just put it all out there and I do think there's a truth to that like I do think that that is I'm healthy

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