This is Winds and Losses with Clay Travis.

Clay talks with the most entertaining people in sports, entertainment and business.

Now, here's Clay Travis.

Welcome in to Outkick the Coverage.

The Winds and Losses podcast, where we can have some long-form conversations with a variety

of different figures that I find to be interesting in the world of sports, business, politics,

media.

You name it.

We've had a lot of awesome ones.

I'd encourage you to go back and listen to them.

And this week's guest is Ben Shapiro at Ben Shapiro on Twitter.

He's got a new book coming out, which I'm about halfway through.

How to Destroy America in three easy steps.

I also read his most recent book, I believe, which was, which one, the right side of history,

how reason and moral purpose made the West great, super interesting and entertaining books.

Ben obviously has a wildly successful show and podcast as a part of the daily wire team.

Ben, thanks for the time.

I imagine releasing a book in this day and age is a little bit wacky even though you've

released several before.

This is a different kind of eye, right?

I was definitely weird.

And I will admit that when I first wrote the book, I thought it would be relevant prior

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