Winning Under the House Rules
Talking Feds
Harry Litman
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🗓️ 1 May 2025
⏱️ 28 minutes
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Summary
In a very unusual one-on-one--make that one-on-two--Harry sits down with Penn law professor Kate Shaw and Pennsylvania congresswoman Mary Gay Scanlon to discuss the recent hearing in Congress at which Professor Shaw testified and Congresswoman Scanlon posed questions for the minority. The hearing was a tendentious and contrived set piece directed by Republican Congressman Jim Jordan with the clear goal of supporting the Trump administration's claim that federal judges such as Jeb Boasberg are improperly enjoining administration action. From their respective vantage points Professor Shaw and Congresswoman Scanlon explain the rules of the road about how to counter false claims about the constitution and the role of judges in it. Then with general discussion of ways in which the minority can be effective in the sharply constrained roles that the system forwards them.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Talking Fed's One-on-One, One, |
| 0:09.2 | deep-dive discussions with national figures about the most fascinating and consequential issues |
| 0:16.2 | defining our culture and shaping our lives. I'm your host, Harry Littman. Welcome to another Talking |
| 0:24.4 | Fed's one-on-one, which is different from our normal one-on-ones in two ways. First, it's not a one-on-one. |
| 0:31.1 | It's a one-on-two, as you'll shortly hear. And then second, whereas we normally |
| 0:36.3 | dive into the substance of an issue, here I thought we |
| 0:40.5 | have a really great opportunity to have two participants in a recent hearing in the house |
| 0:47.5 | kind of describe that whole process that begins when a member of the majority, say Jim Jordan, calls for a hearing that |
| 0:58.2 | obviously seems to have a political agenda to it. Anyway, that's what I hope we can discuss today, |
| 1:04.3 | and we have two great witnesses and a member of Congress from a hearing last week. |
| 1:11.6 | And they are Kate Shaw, a constitutional law scholar at Penn Carey Law. |
| 1:16.9 | Her work focuses on executive power, democratic governance, the Supreme Court, and reproductive rights. |
| 1:22.6 | And she has extensive government experience, including in the executive branch and clerking for Justice John Paul Stevens. |
| 1:31.9 | She's also a prolific public commentator, the Strict Scrutiny Podcast, and ABC and others. |
| 1:40.1 | So, Kate Shaw, thanks so much for being here. |
| 1:42.4 | Thanks so much for having me, Harry. |
| 1:44.2 | And Congresswoman Mary Gay Scanlan, who represents and is currently at Pennsylvania's |
| 1:51.3 | fifth congressional district. She serves on the House Committee on Rules and the House Judiciary |
| 1:56.8 | Committee. She's the ranking member of the subcommittee on the Constitution and limited government. |
| 2:03.2 | I always like, she's, she's been great about being a friend to the podcast and appearing before |
| 2:07.7 | her election of Congress. She was an attorney at the Education Law Center, a great local |
| 2:13.4 | organization in Penn. I guess it might be one of the 10,000 that are now threatened by the |
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