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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

Winning Progressive Change with Deepak Bhargava

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

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4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 6 February 2024

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Chris has spent a lot of time recently thinking about the arc of progress in America. In thinking about all of this, a paradox has been heavy on his mind: while the U.S. has gotten incredibly more progressive over the past few decades, we’re also in the midst of a marked authoritarian movement that’s showing no signs of slowing down. What does this moment mean for the progressive movement and its future? Our guest this week points out, “what an incredible gift [it is] to be alive at a time when we have such a chance to make a difference.” Deepak Bhargava is a senior fellow at the Roosevelt Institute, a distinguished Lecturer at the CUNY School of Labor and Urban Studies and is co-author of “Practical Radicals: Seven Strategies to Change the World.” He joins WITHpod to discuss the trajectory of coalition movements, the state of the progressive movement in 2024, immigration reform and more.

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0:00.0

How lucky are we to be to be alive? At this point where like hundreds of years in the future people will say what choices did they make

0:15.7

they made the right ones things turned out better because they did so I think of it is just an incredible gift

0:21.7

to be alive at a time when we have such a chance to make a difference and we know it's due.

0:27.0

Hello and welcome to Wises happening happening with me your host Chris Hayes.

0:35.0

Well, it's an election year, obviously you you know, 2024. That will be the focus of a lot of what I'm doing on our television show,

0:50.0

along with Chris Hayes Hayes Tuesday through Friday,

0:52.5

8 PMSMDC, we'll talk about on the podcast,

0:54.8

but I wanted to talk, I've been thinking

0:56.6

even more broader terms than just sort of specific electoral terms

1:00.0

because obviously there's a lot that has to do with the selection.

1:02.9

But thinking more about the sort of general arc of progress in America,

1:07.7

and broadly, like, there's a weird paradox to my mind

1:11.3

at the heart of it.

1:12.2

It basically goes like this. I think that in many ways since I first

1:18.3

started covering politics when I was 23 or 24 in the Bush administration post 9-11.

1:25.0

I think I would say that public opinion has moved in a progressive direction pretty strongly.

1:31.0

This is particularly true if you compare it to the just immediate aftermath of 9-11, which I it's very, for people that weren't there very hard to express just how reactionary it was, it was just colossally, dangerously and stultifyingly reactionary.

1:44.6

So in the 24 years or 22 years, say, since I've been writing about politics and covering

1:51.4

politics as an adult, public opinion has gotten more progressive.

1:54.6

The ideological argument on a whole bunch of fundamental questions has been one fairly definitively by the left.

2:05.0

There's certain examples people give all the time about this,

2:07.3

like marriage equality for gay folks, right?

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