Hey, it's Zach. I'm the president of Civic Ventures. You know, before I worked here with Nick,

I was a political operative.

That means that I was paid to win political campaigns.

And so I've done a lot of thinking about

what does all this economics mean for how we win? And I have to say that some of the people I've talked to

that I find the most interesting are the ones who are thinking very hard about how we

win on economics and the question that is probably the most

important question there is how do we win on growth and really what we mean by

that is how do we convince the average American that our policies are going to benefit them?

It's both going to be policies that are good for them in terms of equity and justice and fairness, but also it's going to be good for

them in terms of it's going to improve their lives and make their futures brighter.

For a long time, progressives and Democrats,

they were not able to answer this question.

And I thought I'd call my friend Michael Linden

talked about. Hey Michael, it's Zach, how are you man? I'm good. I'm Michael Linden. I'm the executive director of the Groundwork Collaborative, which is a economic policy focused organization based here in Washington.

I'm also a fellow at the Roosevelt Institute.

That's great. And how long have you been in D.C. Michael?

I've been in D.C. for 13 years. I got here in the summer of 2007.

I was born and raised in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

and my parents still live there

and I go back all the time, so I try to keep one foot

in non-DC world. That's good. And as a reminder you spent some time on the

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