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I am here with Richard Lim of this American President

podcast.

Richard, thanks for coming on the program.

Great to be here.

And although we have some mutual listeners, why don't you describe your podcast?

Well, I'm just a big history nerd like yourself, and many years ago I was in a job that I didn't love and

and that's an understatement so when you're in that situation you think of ways to stay sane and one of them was to engage my interest more so than I was I was doing so that's when I started the podcast with a friend of mine and we've been around for seven years.

We've interviewed a lot of people, and it's basically me talking about presidents.

So that's fundamentally what it is.

It's a chance for me to nerd out and I've had some great

guests as well so this American president.

Great let's continue the nerding out and we're going to talk about William Howard Taft, not a president that we speak a lot about on this program except for a couple of things. It's always it's always with Teddy Roosevelt. It's always in conjunction to him,

you know, which I'm sure we'll get into and that's very important to his story.

I think he's lucky when we even talk about him with regards to Teddy Roosevelt because really what he's known for is the being the fat president and you know there's a there's a scene of all places in the movie Inside Out where they're going

through the memory banks, Riley's memory banks, and they get to the part about presidents and they're trying to decide,

okay, which ones, I think it's joy and one of the, and sadness have to decide which presidents Riley remembers and they say

eh just just have a remember Washington Lincoln and the fat guy and that literally

sums up what Americans if they know anything about Taft, it's he's the fat guy.

That's it. So I think he's lucky when people even go the step further and say, oh, he's part of that Teddy Roosevelt era because at least

it's the dignity gives him the dignity of not being remembered purely as quote

unquote the fat guy. Absolutely, absolutely that is probably yeah the first thing that comes up.

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