Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host host Joe Pug.

Each episode here we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, combing through your old label royalty statements with a fine-toothed comb, or else a scrappy upstart, insisting to your local promoter that there were actually 16 people at your last concert, this is your show, because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey guys, it's the first Friday of February, 2023, and I thank you for joining us.

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