Hello and welcome to Little Gold Men, the awards season podcast from Vanity Fair and

Panoply.

I'm Katie Rich, the deputy editor of Vanity Fair.com and I'm here with the whole crew we have our digital director Mike Kogan

Our film critic Richard Lawson.

Hello and our senior writer Joanna Robinson.

Oh, hi

Guys It's been a while since we talked since last week we recorded our episode right as the Oscar

nominations came out and it's been a very slow week since then in the world of Oscars because

a lot of people I think are taking well-deserved breaks and then a totally

crazy week in the news as usual so it feels like it's been much longer.

We're going to catch up on a lot of things today including Richard Shr

to Sundance and we have an interview that Mike did with Willem Defoe, the star of the Florida project, Oscar nominated star of the Florida project that we'll share later on.

But we wanted to start just real quick with what has been going on in the Oscar race since then since it's quiet but the Directors Guild awards

of this weekend there's still a lot of conversations happening even if no

award shows so so Mike what have you been keeping your eye on as in this

apparently quiet period well I'm really interested in best picture

because I think there's a few interesting like sub currents happening.

So on the surface, if you look at Gold Derby right now,

it's got shape of water in first place place which does make sense to me. Three

billboards in second place, Lady Bird in third place and get out in fourth place. But one of the

interesting things I think is a disadvantage for three billboards in addition to McDonough not getting the director which is an obvious

You know an obvious indicator for best picture is also that shape of water and three billbirds are both Fox

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