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The Ruck

Will Welsh rugby ever recover?

The Ruck

Reynolds Alfie

World Cup, Autumn Internationals, Lions, Lions Tour, Rugby, Sport, Guinness Rugby Premiership, News, Sports, Sports News, Six Nations

3.4566 Ratings

🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Alfie and Will welcome Mark Evans back onto The Ruck having returned from his time as the CEO of the Fijian Drua.


They chat about the latest developments in Welsh rugby with Y11, the owners of the Ospreys, becoming the WRU's preferred bidder for Cardiff and ask whether there is a danger that rugby in Wales might become like cricket in the West Indies.


Mark also gives his views on two of his former clubs Saracens and Harlequins, after it was announced Mark McCall would step away from his role with Sarries at the end of the season and fans at the stoop left early following another disappointing defeat.


Plus, Steve Borthwick has named his England squad for the upcoming 6 Nations and was in a very confident mood when Will went to chat with him last week.


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0:00.0

Hello, this is the Ruck, the journalist's rugby podcast from The Times and the Sunday Times.

0:38.2

Welcome along. January is almost over, which means the Six Nations is right around the corner. We'll chat about England's squad, which was named by Steve Borthwick on Friday. But their opening weekend opponents, Wales, well, the questions and uncertainty about the very future of the regions and the game itself continue to dominate the headlines. Plus, the latest round of Prem action had a little bit of everything.

0:43.9

I'm Alfie Reynolds. All of that to come in the company of the Times Deputy Rugby correspondent,

0:48.5

Will Kellahett. Hello. How are you, Will? I'm good and I'm on YouTube, as are all of us,

0:53.1

which is really exciting, isn't it? This is the first episode of The Ruck that you will be able'm good and I'm on YouTube as are all of us which is really exciting isn't it?

0:54.6

This is the first episode of The Ruck that you will be able to watch on YouTube. So you may be

0:59.6

listening to us at the moment as you usually do but if you feel so inclined do go and check us out.

1:03.6

You can watch us as well. I've had friends before when we've put up video clips being like,

1:07.9

I didn't know that's what Alex Lowe looked like. It's like when you read a book, isn't it? And you've got an idea of the characters in the head.

1:12.8

He's a matinee idol, isn't he?

1:26.3

But also, we've got, look, Mark Evans is here. I was going to say that. Voice you just heard is the long-awaited, eagerly anticipated return of Mark Evans. How are you, Mark? Good to see her. Thank you, guys. Well, what were you been doing while I've been away for three and a half years?

1:29.2

I mean, you've certainly gone up in the world.

1:27.9

Honestly, listeners and, and viewers. Thank you, guys. Well, what are you been doing while I've been away for three and a half years? You've certainly got nothing up in the world.

1:29.3

Honestly, listeners and viewers, it's all a bit flash, in it. Yeah, lovely. New logo. We've got a big boy pants on. We're in a new studio. It's all changed because, of course, I mean, you were a regular contributor to the Ruckmark, and then you've been spending...

1:42.0

How many years now, was it,

1:43.0

you were the CEO of the Fijian Dru?

1:44.7

Three and a half.

1:45.6

So three years.

1:46.2

Yeah, so ten months of the year in largely sunny Nandi. Sounds awful. It had its moments actually. Maybe politically difficult, but nice weather. I like it was a great experience. Yeah, so how was, I mean, obviously, you know, you've had a lot of varied experiences within

2:01.3

rugby, but I'd imagine that with the Fijian Drew was pretty eye-opening, pretty exciting,

2:06.1

a lot of challenges. All of those things. I wouldn't have missed it for the world. I was very, very, very, I look at it, been very, very fortunate to be given the opportunity and it was

2:13.6

Ben Ryan got it right when he wrote

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