Hey, everyone, it's Andrew Claven with this week's interview with Maureen Callahan.

She's the host of the Nerve podcast and the New York Times best-selling

author of Ask Not, the Kennedys and the women they destroyed, which I read and just I couldn't

put it down. It was just really good stuff. But I want to talk to her today about another

destructive force, namely Jeffrey Epstein and what's going on in the Epstein case. I have to admit that this story

has now got me confused. I would have sworn at one point that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered,

but when Dan Bunjino and Cash Patel both tell me no, he committed to it doesn't mean he wasn't

allowed to commit to him. But still, I'm not sure, I do believe them.

I think they're honest guys.

But I'm not sure what on earth is going on.

That the abuse, the sexual abuse of young people among elites seems to me to be epidemic.

Obviously in churches, both Catholic and Protestant and Hollywood, I've known about it for years.

It's especially bad among gays who pass around young boy actors in the media.

I think it's mostly among straits who take advantage of young women who come to work so desperately to work in film or in TV.

Something about having money and power apparently makes people want to

feel that other people are this there for their sexual pleasure. And Jeffrey Epstein is a

symbol of this, but he's just the center of it. I mean, look, we saw NBC protect Harvey Weinstein,

so the Ronan Farrow had to publish his work at The New Yorker.

And meanwhile, NBC was covering up for Matt Lauer, who allegedly once attacked an aide,

a young woman so hard, she passed out.

He allegedly once sodomized his girlfriend while she begged him not to.

We saw ABC spike the Epstein story during Hillary Clinton's election run and George Stephanopoulos, who got his start silencing women

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