Hello again, I'm on Alney, back with To the Point.

Today, we'll hear why the letters PG and E don't just stand for Pacific gas and electric anymore, but pray to God and evacuate.

We'll hear the history of America's largest utility, a corporate criminal, after deadly

fires that caused billions in damage, creating a precarious future for Northern California.

First, though, it's national politics.

This year's midterm elections are almost upon us.

Will Democrats or Republicans control the Congress and Senate?

Will there be a split decision?

Whatever the outcome, it'll be a preview of the presidential election in 2024,

and no current politician will matter more to the future than our past president, Donald Trump.

Susan Glasser is with us.

She's a staff writer for the New Yorker and co-author

of an exhaustive account of Trump's four years in office. Her co-author is her husband,

Peter Baker of the New York Times. The book is called The Divider. And Susan, it's great to have you

with us. Oh, thanks so much for having me. You can count the ways that Trump has been divisive in this book, almost 800 pages long.

It seems never to get dull.

You say at the end that there's no such thing as a post-Trump America.

What do you mean by that?

Yeah, well, thank you so much, Warren.

It's great to be with you.

The truth is, we set out to write a history, a first crack at a real full four-year history of Trump in the White House and his presidency.

And in the 18 months or so since Trump has left office, it's become clear that, you know,

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