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Folger Shakespeare Library: Shakespeare Unlimited

Will Tosh on the Hidden Queer Lives of William Shakespeare

Folger Shakespeare Library: Shakespeare Unlimited

Folger Shakespeare Library

Arts

4.7 • 837 Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2024

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

How did Shakespeare engage with the complexities of gender and sexuality in his time? Was his portrayal of cross-dressing and same-sex attraction simply for comedic effect, or did it reflect a deeper understanding of queer desire? In this episode, host Barbara Bogaev speaks with scholar Will Tosh, who delves into these questions through his new book Straight Acting: The Hidden Queer Lives of William Shakespeare. Tosh, Head of Research at Shakespeare’s Globe, explores Shakespeare’s work in the context of early modern London—a city bustling with queer subcultures. This conversation touches on Shakespeare’s depictions of gender fluidity, same-sex desire, and the influence of classical literature on his plays. The episode highlights the cultural and social dynamics of the time, revealing the complex ways in which gender and sexuality were understood and expressed in early modern England. Tosh also examines Shakespeare's schooling, shaped by homoerotic classics like Cicero’s De Amicitia and Ovid’s Metamorphoses, which deeply influenced his writing. >>Discover Straight Acting by Will Tosh—a literary biography that opens a window into Shakespeare’s queer subtexts, available now from Seal Press. Tosh’s conversation offers a nuanced exploration of how Shakespeare navigated and represented homoerotic relationships, with specific attention to characters such as Antonio and Sebastian from Twelfth Night. He also connects Shakespeare’s work with the wider culture of early modern England, where queer desire was both expressed and concealed. Will Tosh is head of research at Shakespeare’s Globe, London. He is a scholar of early modern literature and culture, a dramaturg for Renaissance classics and new plays, and a historical adviser for television and radio. He is the author of two previous books, and he appears regularly in the media to discuss Shakespeare and his world. He lives in London.

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0:00.0

From the Folger's Shakespeare Library, this is Shakespeare Unlimited on Barbara Bove.

0:09.3

Spoiler alert, many characters in Shakespeare's comedy swap genders, cross-stress, and fall in love with members of the same sex.

0:17.5

That fluidity that we all have noticed makes the plays easy to mold to our contemporary ideas

0:23.4

about gender and sexuality. But what did Shakespeare really think of all of this? Was he playing

0:29.3

for easy laughs? Or did he really have a more inclusive and expansive view of love and attraction?

0:36.4

Will Tosh set out to answer these questions with his new book,

0:39.6

Straight Acting. Tosh is the head of research at Shakespeare's Globe, but he wrote the book

0:44.7

for a general audience. It takes the form of a literary biography of Shakespeare, but it also

0:50.2

looks at the culture he lived in. And it turns out, early modern London was a pretty gay place.

0:57.1

And just in case you're wondering, one thing the book is not about is whether Shakespeare was gay.

1:03.1

We don't know, and we'll most likely never know that. Tosh makes it clear early on in his book

1:08.3

that that's beside the point. He's interested in a much more

1:11.6

nuanced exploration of Shakespeare as an artist who wrote about gender and sexuality and was,

1:17.6

as Tash phrases it, informed and inspired by the complex mix of patriarchy, power, homoeroticism,

1:26.0

and homophobia around him.

1:28.3

Will Tosh joins us on the line from London.

1:31.3

Hi Will.

1:32.3

Hi, it's good to hear your voice.

1:33.3

Oh, well, it's lovely to meet you in my head.

1:36.3

Will, did this book start with Shakespeare or queerness in general in the early modern period?

1:42.3

Well, that's a really good question because the long run-up to the book

1:47.3

was two decades of me thinking about the history of queer desire

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