Will Tokenized Stocks Actually Work? | Ian De Bode

The Pomp Podcast

Anthony Pompliano

Business, Investing

4.8 • 1.9K Ratings

🗓️ 18 August 2025

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Ian De Bode is the Chief Strategy Officer at Ondo Finance. In this conversation we talk about why we need tokenization, advantage of being on-chain, stablecoins vs cash, how people will make money, regulation, biggest risks, and should equities be trading 24/7?

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TimeStamps:

0:00 - Intro
1:56 - Why do we need tokenization?
12:34 - How people will make money
15:52 - Lessons from tokenizing a government bond fund
19:13 - Stablecoins that generate yield
24:28 - Behind the scenes of belief in tokenization
26:15 - What's the biggest risk?
27:59 - Do people really want to trade stocks on weekends?
29:05 - What Ondo Finance is building

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1:02.3	Why the heck do we need tokenization?
1:04.4	Not in the stock market work perfectly well?
1:06.6	What is the purpose of doing this?
1:11.6	So putting something on chain just enables programmability, 24-7 movement of the thing. It becomes a better version of the asset than it can be in traditional rails.
1:15.6	If 10 years from now, tokenization doesn't happen.
1:18.6	What's the most likely reason it didn't happen?
1:20.6	No, but if it doesn't, I think the key thing that the space wasn't able to figure out is... What's going on, guys? Today we got a great episode with Ian DeBode. He's the chief strategy officer at Ando Finance. Now, one of the biggest questions I keep getting is what is tokenization? Is it real? Does the tech work? Are people actually going to do this? And guess what? I don't know yet. It's interesting. Maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't. So what I did is I went and I found someone who's actually building the technology and they've got views. They've got some stuff that's already on the track record and they're building a lot of new things. So we get into it with Ian talking all about what is going on with tokenization. And I play devil's advocate. I want the cold, hard truth.
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