Hello, everybody. Welcome to Three Point Perspective, the podcast about illustration, how to do it,

how to make a living at it, and how to make an impact in the world with your art. I'm Jake Parker.

I'm Samantha Caudrill. And I am David Hohn. All three of us are professional illustrators,

and for the last 25 years, have worked with

every major publisher in publication in the business.

We've published over 50 books and have all taught at the university level.

Each week we tackle a subject related to illustration from three perspectives.

Sometimes we agree, sometimes we argue, but every time you learn something

brands banking new. That's right. And today I wanted to talk to you guys about hobbies,

because it's something I've been, honestly, I've struggled with over my career where because I chose essentially my hobby as my

career, it leaves me with a lot less, I guess, creative energy or, or I don't want to say time because I've had time, but I just

traditionally haven't dug into deeply anything outside of anything art related.

And so I wanted to sort of bring this up, see if you guys can relate with that.

However, over the years I have picked up

anything outside of art that I've done has been like home related, family related. Like,

you know, we'll have chickens and I'll help build the chicken. Me and my wife will build a chicken

coop together or whatever.

Okay.

Or it's health related.

Like I picked up running because I need, you need the exercise, right?

And running is like, for me personally, it's been great because you don't have to like count reps you don't

have to like context shift every time you're going from one activity to another at the gym you can

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