Will the US or Iran Blink First?
The Brian Lehrer Show
WNYC
4.6 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 22 April 2026
⏱️ 32 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | It's the Brian Lairn on WNYC. Good morning again, everyone. About the war with Iran, |
| 0:17.4 | if you're not confused, you're not paying attention. President Trump last night announced |
| 0:22.1 | an indefinite extension of what they're calling a ceasefire, but at the same time, he's continuing |
| 0:28.1 | an act of war, and so is Iran. As NBC reported it a few hours ago, Iran attacked three ships |
| 0:35.7 | in the Strait of Hormuz this morning, saying its revolutionary guards seized two of them and further inflaming tensions over the key waterway. |
| 0:44.6 | It says it comes after U.S. forces seized an Iranian ship and bordered a tanker linked to Tehran's oil trade, that from NBC News. |
| 0:56.0 | So listeners, you can decide for yourself if that sounds like a ceasefire to you, doesn't really sound like one to me, maybe a partial ceasefire |
| 1:01.4 | in which there's at least no bombing by the U.S. and no missiles being flung around the Middle |
| 1:06.8 | East by Iran. Most of the coverage in recent days has been about the negotiations over the |
| 1:12.9 | war from the standpoint of the U.S., Iran, Israel, and Hezbollah. And we'll talk a little bit about |
| 1:19.4 | that in this segment, but we'll focus mostly now on the military state of the war. |
| 1:24.6 | Who has won and lost what and what each side's military could do if the |
| 1:30.4 | ceasefire collapses? Why the military aspects will the prospect for military victories and defeats |
| 1:36.1 | and the death and destruction that come with them, of course, drive what each side's military |
| 1:41.7 | is willing to agree to in peace talks. With me for this assessment |
| 1:45.9 | is Fred Kaplan. He writes the column War Stories for Slate and his author of books, including |
| 1:51.6 | the bomb, President's Generals and the Secret History of Nuclear War. Fred, always good to have you. |
| 1:57.0 | Welcome back to WNYC. Thanks. Always good to be here. |
| 2:06.7 | One thing we know, and that is probably a reason for Trump's plummeting poll numbers, |
| 2:12.4 | he's down to an astonishing 33% approval in the new AP poll out today. |
| 2:18.3 | One reason for that, I suspect, is that he keeps declaring victory in a war that we're still fighting. |
| 2:21.7 | This is from a month ago. This is one quick example. |
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