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Gaslit Nation

Will the Tech Bros. Turn on Trump?

Gaslit Nation

Gaslit Nation

Trump, Politics, Left, Democracy, Resistance, News, Society & Culture, Progressive, Liberal, Kendzior, Chalupa, Resist

4.8 • 4K Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

The Tech Bros., like Elon Musk and JD Vance puppetmaster Peter Thiel, see Trump as a means to an end: to build their own tech-state fiefdoms as they usher in the A.I. age, at the expense of us peasants. But can this unholy alliance survive Trump’s disastrous trade war? And why do they fetishize hating Ukraine? 

This week’s special guest, Adrian Karatnycky, has been on the frontlines fighting for democracy both at home and abroad. In his critically acclaimed book Battleground Ukraine, Adrian traces Ukraine’s struggle for independence from the fall of the Soviet Union to Russia's genocidal invasion today, drawing important lessons for protecting democracies worldwide. He has worked alongside civil rights legend Bayard Rustin and the AFL-CIO, the largest federation of unions in America. He also supported Poland’s Solidarity movement, which helped bring down the Iron Curtain, and played a key role, along with iconic Soviet dissident, writer, and Czech statesman Václav Havel, in preserving Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty in the 1990s, when many thought the Cold War had ended. 

In part two, we discuss the PayPal Mafia’s war on Ukraine as part of a broader global assault on "wokeism" (a.k.a. Empathy and democracy), Adrian’s impressions of meeting Curtis Yarvin, and how the war in Ukraine can ultimately end. For part one of their discussion, available in the show notes, Andrea and Adrian explore how Europe and the free world can survive the chaos of Trump’s America First isolationism and Russia’s weaponized corruption and election interference. 

Thank you to everyone who joined the Gaslit Nation Salon live-taping with Patrick Guarasci and Sam Roecker, senior campaign advisors for Judge Susan Crawford, discussing their victory against Elon Musk in the pivotal Wisconsin Supreme Court race. The recording will be available as this week’s bonus show. 

Thank you to everyone who supports Gaslit Nation–we could not make the show without you! 

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Show Notes:

Battleground Ukraine: From Independence to the War with Russia by Adrian Karatnycky https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300269468/battleground-ukraine/

Part I of Our Discussion: Can the Free World Survive Putin and Trump? https://sites.libsyn.com/124622/can-the-free-world-survive-trump-and-putin

 

EVENTS AT GASLIT NATION:

  • April 28 4pm ET – Book club discussion of Octavia Butler’s The Parable of the Sower  

  • Indiana-based listeners launched a Signal group for others in the state to join, available on Patreon.

  • Florida-based listeners are going strong meeting in person. Be sure to join their Signal group, available on Patreon.

  • Have you taken Gaslit Nation’s HyperNormalization Survey Yet?

  • Gaslit Nation Salons take place Mondays 4pm ET over Zoom and the first ~40 minutes are recorded and shared on Patreon.com/Gaslit for our community 

 

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Gaslit Nation.

0:12.1

I am your host, Andrea Chalupa, a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of Mr. Jones,

0:19.5

the journalistic thriller about the Holodomor, Stalin's genocide famine in

0:24.7

Ukraine. The film The Kremlin doesn't want you to see, so be sure to watch it. Thank you to everyone

0:30.9

who came to our Gaslit Nation salon with political strategist Patrick Gerasi. He is one of the masterminds behind Judge

0:41.7

Susan Crawford's massive, in-your-face victory against Elon Musk in Wisconsin in that pivotal

0:49.3

Wisconsin Supreme Court race that we absolutely had to win. And Wisconsin is such a key state in the far-rights playbook of a laboratory of authoritarianism.

1:01.3

The dark money from the co-political network flooded in there.

1:05.3

We had the Scott Walker horror show when he was governor in his open war against workers, unions. Wisconsin through

1:13.6

grassroots power, through union power, has been clawing its way back from the brink and showing

1:19.5

us how to do that nationwide. So this was a very important discussion. Thank you to everyone

1:24.9

who attended, and the recording will be available.

1:28.2

The full recording will be on Patreon, and then we'll play a sizable excerpt of it, obviously,

1:32.9

for you. And thank you to everyone who is on Patreon supporting our show because we could not

1:37.8

make Gatslet Nation without you. Now, this week's episode is a continuation of my deep dive discussion with my old friend,

1:46.1

Adrian Kaditnitsky.

1:47.8

He is amazing, his experience.

1:49.9

I learned so much about him in this interview, which I did not know.

1:53.9

I've spent a lot of time with this guy.

1:55.7

He visited me on the set of Mr. Jones.

1:58.2

He was one of my key supporters in getting that film made,

2:05.8

and I'm so grateful to him in his big heart. He is the author of the critically acclaimed book Battleground Ukraine, which chronicles Ukraine's struggle for independence from the fall of the Soviet Union

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