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Jane and I have just learned something that we didn't know about Evan.

He's a violent objector to the pickleball consensus. Okay, we're going to go there. That's fine. You know, I mean, I just didn't know that about you. Is it a consensus? I think it's an insurgent and downright... I don't think, Jane and I are part of this. I'm not part of it. Yeah. Character? No, I'm sorry to say establishmentarianism.

I mean, I am sorry, but it is an insider kind of thing to love tennis.

I let the record reflect.

You're just a conservative small C is what we're learning.

Well, what I've discovered is that pickleball seems to be predicated on the idea that you're

supposed to have fun out there. And I don't

understand how we're supposed to defend that. Tennis is challenging, ultimately frustrating,

and ruins your body, which is a morally defensible activity. Yeah, that's definitely old-fashioned

conservatism. I think that is like Evans' view of tennis. And by the way... Wait, Trump...

I have to say pickleball is the Trumpism. This is really going to get... We're going to get a lot of letters. That pickleball is Trump is? Pickleball is the Trumpism of sports. All right, I said it. It is. It's because it's the popular one. It's the popularists. But Donald Trump doesn't play sports.

Let's just be clear.

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