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in America and that's a very good thing too. I'm joined today by Jacob Heilbrun, who is editor

of the national interest and a contributor to Spectator USA. And we're going to be asking,

will the riots burn down Trump's presidency? Now, Jacob,

first of all, I hope you're okay. I know you had a brush with the rioters. What night was it,

Monday night? Yes, it was, I was walking in my neighborhood in the evening, just taking my

usual evening constitutional. And I, I was walking in my neighborhood in the evening, just taking my usual evening constitutional.

And I inadvertently ran into a bunch of looters who decided they had bigger game to pursue than me.

So what were they doing? They were just smashing up a shot.

Yeah, they were standing there and ski. They were about 15 to 20 youths, both female and male,

in masks, some wearing ski masks and what looked to me, I mean, it was nighttime, so it wasn't,

I was trying to avoid them, but they

looked like they had clubs or sticks. Yeah. And a lot of stores in our neighborhood were in fact

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