Quick heads up here at the top. Our guest today is talking about homophobia.

And when he does that, he uses language that might offend you because the language is offensive.

You've been warned.

What's up people? I'm Karl Nassib. I'm at my house here in Westchester, Pennsylvania.

Last week, NFL Defensive End Karl Nassib put out this video on Instagram.

In it, he is holding the camera's selfie style. You can see a bright green lawn behind him.

And in the most understated way possible, he says,

this video is so understated that it might be hard to imagine why it's a big deal at all.

To understand that, you need to know that no other active NFL player has said this out loud before,

ever. But retired football players, they have come out.

Did you see how handsome he is? I mean, he would attract anybody, you know what I mean?

Dave Coupe is one of those retired football players. He's 78 now.

I was the first ball player in all sports to come out. And not just in the United States,

but in the world. Dave loved watching this video from Karl Nassib.

Yes, I'd be stupid if I didn't say I was envious. But I really know how the world has changed.

Here's a couple of ways the world's changed. Back in the 70s, when Dave came out,

his parents said they never wanted to see him again. He had to bad away questions like this one.

Dave, what do you think was the hardest moments you had to face after admitting that you were a homosexual?

This is an interview Dave did back in the early 80s with a gossip columnist named Rona Barrett.

Well, I don't know if I even like the word admitting I'm a homosexual. I like to say that I'm a homosexual.

Admit kind of implies guilt again. And I think that that's what's so wrong in our society, you know?

People were kind of blasting me on newspapers, you know? It was really painful.

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