What's going on, everybody. Welcome back to the PFF NFL show here on Media Row here for the Super Bowl.

Trevor Sycambeau with you guys.

And we also have Sam Swartzstein with us, who I'm very excited to talk about the inventor of football, as your, as your bio says.

Technically the inventor of football.

Is it for a patent on testulating the XFL 2020 logo on a football?

Yes. But the way the foot patent says does say

inventor of football. I love it. He does great stuff with Prime Vision as well on the Thursday

Night Football Broadcast. And I want to talk to you about all the sorts of stuff that you're doing

there. But I do want to go back to that XFL stuff because it's fascinating to me. You know,

you joke around a little bit right there, but you helped

come up with all of like the rules and basically how things were going to be played at that level.

And we're seeing some of those other leagues kind of pop up and obviously stick around and

everything. We've seen some of those changes be implemented to the NFL as well. So my question,

my opening question to you is just like, what was that like creating that?

Like having the ability to say, hey, here's a new league.

We sort of have the creativity to go about this game and change these little things that we want here.

How was that kind of coming up with a lot of the functionality of that league when it was getting kicked off?

Yeah, thanks for having me on.

I think what I felt very fortunate was to get on the ground floor. Oliver Luckin day before he took the job, he texted me, I'm taking a job

in sports. I want you to come with me. I can't tell you yet. It's something and it's a soccer rule,

right? Because he did, you know, he did the MLS, the dynamo. I thought maybe he's coming from college football. What is this going to be? And when it was the XFL, it was huge for me because I learned to play football with

an XFL football.

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