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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics podcast. I'm Cindy You and I'm joined by Katie Balls and the New Statesman's political editor, Stephen Bush. Katie, since we talked to yesterday, there's been even more developments in the Greensale scandal with the reveal of Bill Crothers, a former civil servant who was involved. Can you talk about what's happened since then?

Yes, so I think what's really interesting with the story is, and it does sometimes happen to the case,

often it's a story will fizzle out, but I think in the case of the Greensill saga,

almost every day your eyebrows are raised higher. So yesterday we had the desert camping photo. And now we

had the revelation that there was a civil servant who had a job for Greensill while they were

in government as a civil service. And this appears to be in a loophole, which then meant when they

left the Silver Service role, they did not need to get the Greensill Roll approved

because they were already in that,

so it's not as though you're trying to get a new job.

Now, Eric Pickles, who now has a role here,

has come out really yesterday with this,

and again, it's given more life.

And I think it's also done something,

which has suggested this is very institutional,

rural and just a Tory minister

problem. So actually it is now something which seems to be across the whole system. So it's not

I think it is helpful to the Tory government, but I think of it, what I mean by that is, I think

it's just showing the scale of this and how actually this is, you know, going to keep going in lots of different avenues.

There were still very, lots of difficult questions for ministers potentially.

But now I think the fact that there's talk for, there could be more cases like this in the

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