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Hello and welcome to Coffey House Shocks, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Oscar Edmondson and I'm joined by Katie Balls and former senior civil servant Jill Rutter.

Katie in the magazine this week you write an excellent piece about the grey lady where you take us inside Sue Gray's Labour Party.

How exactly is she shaking things up as Kiea's Chief of Staff?

Yeah, so I've become one of the many journalists

to have the original idea of writing a C-Gray profile.

Quite a crowded field these days, I would say.

But I think part of the reason she has got so much attention so far

is because clearly when it comes to appointing your team, chief of staff is probably

the most important appointment a prime minister or a political leader can make. They are the one that's

responsible for keeping the show on the road.

You need to probably be like-minded, be able to get along with one another, but also share a way of thinking and a vision.

You also need to counterbalance each other a little bit.

I think back to Boris Johnson's many chief of staffs and he had Dominic Cummings at one point,

although I didn't need officially took the title, and then almost over-corrected after Dominic Cummings,

he was very political and also, you know,

a bit of a disruptor and had Dan Rosenfeld,

who was a former civil servant.

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