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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Oscar Edonson and I'm joined today by Katie Bulls and Charles Grant, director of the

Centre for European Reform. So today, Keir Starmer is in Paris on the next step of his global

tour for Get To Know You Talks with French President Macron, presumably on this option that they'll

be working quite closely together next year. So Katie, what's on the agenda today and is this

the start of a new bromance? So far we've had some quite artistic photos of Keir Starmer

Rachel Reeves, David Lamy, seeing the sights of France in particular Paris as they talk to French

businesses. And of course the big event is the meeting with Emmanuel Macron. They have exchange

gifts. After the meeting, Keir Starmer said the pair had a very political discussion covering a lot

of issues to do global politics, but also it was an opportunity to look at future prosperity,

future security and some of the most pressing issues on my mind on the president's mind.

So a lot about the future then actually point to Oscar and your introduction.

There's a real desire to use this trip. Just as Keir Starmer has been on a bit of a tour recently

to the Hague, then to Montreal for this summer of like-minded centre-left leaders and former leaders

to give this perception that Keir Starmer is close to taking power in a way a part of movement

and also taking statesmen like one of the only areas where Rachel Reeves overtakes Keir Starmer

these days on quite a few polls is you know meeting foreign leaders looking like a statesman

and clearly this is aimed at going somewhere there. It's worth pointing out when you're looking at

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