And the Welcome to the Conversations, That Matter Podcast. I'm your host John Harris for an exciting and interesting discussion today with someone who hasn't been on the program before and that is Will Spencer.

Hey Will, how you doing?

Oh, doing great, John.

Thanks for having me on. So, haven't, I'm going to be honest, I'm not extremely

familiar with you, but you, as Twitter, I mean, there's blessings and curses with Twitter, and one of the blessings

was you made a comment on a recent video,

which I will not play for people, but if people want to know the image

from the video I'm talking about, it's this one,

with this girl who went down to Peru. talking about it's this one,

who went down to Peru and talked about, I guess, trying

I think hallucinogenic drugs and being with shamans

and all this stuff.

And anyway, you basically said that you've done all this stuff and it's a dead end right very much so

and then I found out we had some mutual friends and you have a great podcast if people want to check that out it's called the Renaissance of men

they can go to rent of men dot com and so I just thought it would be interesting to

talk to you about that because you sent me a list of all the things that you've done,

like as far as I don't know if you call it new age

or what may be.

Yeah, new age.

Yeah, new age for healing modalities.

You got deep, like you got really, really deep into it. So I'm going to just kind of let you talk and share your story and then you're a Christian. So how did you make your way out of that how did the Lord work in your life

so that you rejected the New Age movement stuff and you embrace Christianity so so why

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