Will Sam Altman and His AI Kill Us All?
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🗓️ 24 May 2025
⏱️ 30 minutes
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Read Karen Hao's book 'Empire of AI'
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| 0:00.0 | Building a coffee business? |
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| 0:43.1 | You know, I started it, I don't know, kind of during the second half of the basketball game last night. |
| 0:48.2 | So when would that have been like 10 o'clock? And by midnight, I was like, oh, my God. |
| 0:52.6 | My concerns about AI apocalypse increased about 30% the more I learned about Sam Altman. |
| 0:59.4 | So that's not good. |
| 1:00.5 | We never overlaught, despite being gay and in the Bay Area together, I was never invited to his dinner salon. |
| 1:05.5 | So your insight is the closest I've gotten to it. |
| 1:09.1 | But I want to start here. |
| 1:12.0 | So for folks who are watching this, |
| 1:17.7 | who have, I think there's just to be varying degrees of interest in Sam and an AI, let's just start with like why he is such an important figure and why Open AI is so important when it comes |
| 1:24.8 | to this brave new world that we are currently stepping into |
| 1:29.8 | with regards to artificial intelligence. |
| 1:31.1 | Oh, I think he's such an important figure because he is, opening eye is a manifestation |
| 1:38.1 | of him and opening eye led the entire AI industry into approaching a particular type of AI development that is now |
| 1:46.4 | kind of eating the world. And Allman is also very much a product of Silicon Valley. And so I don't |
| 1:53.6 | want to give him too much credit. Sure. But certainly, the way that Open AI introduced the world to AI through a chat, |
| 2:02.8 | a BT moment really pegged all of AI development, most of AI development today, to a |
| 2:09.8 | particular conception of AI that really builds on this idea of scale at all costs. |
| 2:14.1 | And, you know, it's not a coincidence that Silicon Valley, which has been trying to |
| 2:19.7 | scale at all costs for a while, would end up developing AI in the same exact way. But Allman is the |
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